After reading Freddie Roaches comments about Tyson's knee and the lack of proper rehabilitation i have become concerned about the knee becoming damaged again. What do you lot think?
The only reason I would be worried is if Mike rushed in to a fight too soon.Buddy Mcgirt is a good trainer and seems to have a good admiration for Mike as well as knowing the game inside out.He will take this opportunity to train Mike as a challenge,to see if he can do what everyone other than Rooney couldn't and turn Mike in to an intimitable champion again.He will do every thing thats needed and depending on how long he remains Mikes trainer know when hes ready.He turned Gatti from a high profile opponent in to a champ with a few refinements,think what he could do for a legit great like Tyson who showed glimpses(before that *Censor* up knee)that he can still be a force.Im excited not worried.
I'm actually glad Roach said all this.
Now people will pay attention to the knee (instaed of ignore it only to be injured again) and won't rush Tyson into a fight.
Too bad Roach has to work with Pac-man during Mikes camp.
It looks like they really have become friends.
It seemed like Roach was a little hurt Tyson switched to Buddy. He did have Tyson's best interest in mind when he said he'd like to see him retired, though. I'd like to see him retire, too, but the money situation...
He needs the bread so he has to keep fighting. I'll support him of course, but I don't think he should fight Vitali...at least not right away.
I don't know if Buddy's the right guy for Mike. I remember when Mike McCallum was in his corner and McCallum couldn't really do anything because his style was completely different than Mike's. Same thing with Buddy. The difference between Arturo Gatti and Mike Tyson is obvious. Mike ain't gonna get on his toes and box.
I think Duran would've been a better trainer. Somewhat similar style and you know Mike would respect him. But I don't know how effective he would be, either. I remember Mike tried to use his style, too, but he wasn't as effective. That right hand out and open, ready to parry. It took him away from the peek-a-boo.
Kevin Rooney is the only guy that'll get him right, style-wise. He knows the system like very few do. Unfortunately it ain't happening cuz' of the lawsuits in the past (from Rooney for a few mil.)
Mike ain't even thinking about Kevin.
Although it would be nice to see them get together for one last ride off into the sunset. It would be a storybook ending.
One thing is that Rooney genuinely cares for Mike. That I believe. He's never really degraded him and has always kinda' stuck up for him since even after the Buster Douglas fight. Recent interviews confirm this. I don't think it would be the money; he still sees "his fighter" and is frustrated in what has become of him. I think he believes in his heart he can get Mike back to the glory he once had. That's what would drive Rooney to train him.
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After reading Freddie Roaches comments about Tyson's knee and the lack of proper rehabilitation i have become concerned about the knee becoming damaged again. What do you lot think?
Where did you read the interview or comments that roach had regarding mike tyson.
It is interesting that Roach pointed out that Tyson has not properly rehabed the knee
I respect Roach, but I wonder if he really knew if mike properly rehabbed or not. Maybe he going by what Tyson has said in the public eye. roach has been back at his LA gym since the Tyson fight (I am judging this based upon the numerous interviews that he has given since that fight) and mike has been who knows where.
Yeah it makes sense for mike to switch trainers since Roach has hinted at his confidence in Mike has deterioted, due to his stamina, heart, and training habits.
I know it ain't going to happen, but if mike wanted to milk the gavey train for one last run, he should consider Rooney at his camp for his last hurrah. No disrespect to McGirt, but economically it makes cents and dollars.
Hope that this is not a sign that anyone that disagrees with what Mike should do during training (roach and him did not always see eye to eye, he is going to do away with). He already had a yes man before Roach, brooks.
Also hope he did not put the knee spin controversy in the public eye, just in case he loses his next contest again. *Censor* even Toney has sense enough to rehab an injury. Tyson probably rehabilitated the knee, part of the out patient program for athletes I am sure. Who knows. Hoped he stayed with Roach, but then again, maybe the best is yet to come for Tyson. As fans, we can only hope. Hope he makes his cash and gets out before serious injury. 20+ years is alot of time to get hit in the head and body for a living.
Let's hope Mike makes some cash, pays off his debts, and has something nice to live off of and use for investments.
It's really beyond him winning another title...
I would hate to see the man go punchdrunk just to try to pay off his debt.
I hope he makes his money and then gets out. Something tells me that if he did have his bank, he'd be retired right now. He's tired. Like you said, McBain, 20+ years is a long time. Tyson's tired, which he has every right to be.
*Censor*, if I was Bill Gates I'd pay off Tyson's debt so he wouldn't have to take any more shots. Or at least not as many shots in earning his retirement fund. I seriously would. But I don't think Tyson's the type of person that would let anyone do that. At least not right away...
Regardless if Tyson's knee if fully healed or not, his chances of regaining the world title again are very slim. Buddy Mcgirt might be a great trainer but his training methods are irrelavent to Tyson's fighting style. As far as I'm concerned, Mcgirt is as much of a useless trainer (for Tyson) as Roach was, who pretty much ruined Tyson's career since his release from jail.
Before Tyson's loses to Holyfield, Lewis, and Williams, Roach was yapping the same *Censor* about Tyson before each one of his fights by saying things like "Tyson is in tremendous shape, Tyson will win by knockout, Tyson is determined and motivated, Tyson looks amazing in the gym..." and blah blah blah.
Now Mcgirt is doing the exact same thing, fooling Tyson's mind in believing that he's doing awesome in the gym when in reality he's rusty as *Censor* and can't go more than four or five rounds without completely running out of gas. Roach and Mcgirt sound like a couple of little kids bragging to their friends when they say stuff like that.
The truth is, these trainers don't really know how to train Tyson for a fight. Tyson's fighting style is unique and therefore, he must be trained a specific way in order to be an effective fighter. Remember... the reason why Tyson was such a great offensive fighter was partly because Tyson was a great defensive fighter. As a matter of fact, there has never been a better defensive fighter in the heavyweight division than Tyson at his prime. If you look at Tyson's early fights, you'll notice that Tyson rarely got hit because he was too good defensively. And defense create offense.
Let's get to the point. There are only two people on this planet who truly know how to train Tyson. They are Kevin Rooney and Teddy Atlas. These are the only two guys who could make Tyson a champion again because they were personally programmed by Tyson's mentor, Cus D'amato, to fully comprehand Tyson's fighting style. Rooney and Atlas, with the guidance of Cus were responsible for making Mike Tyson the great fighter he once was.
So will Kevin Rooney ever join forces with Tyson again? Not very likely. Rooney sued Tyson a few years back and Tyson is simply not interested in Rooney anyway. Will Teddy Atlas ever join forces with Tyson? That will definitely never happen. If you don't know the story between these two, when Tyson was a teenager, Atlas pointed a gun at Tyson's head and threatened to blow his brains off because of an indecent act Tyson committed against a girl younger than him, who was related to Atlas.
So in other words, I think all Tyson fans should just face reality. Tyson will likely never be world champion again... but then again, today's heavyweight division is so awful, you never know.
I don't think the division is bad as everyone says it is. Think about it: save for the 70's and late-60's every opinion of all the other generations was the same as it is now: "The divsion is the worst it's ever been."
I think Klitchko, Byrd,Tua, Toney, Rahman and Tyson would stack up well with every generation, save for the era I just mentioned.
Boxing is a tough sport to get recognition for...by its own media. It's always been like this. The fighters of "the present" are always deemed nothing special...until much later. And it's a *Censor* shame.
left hook: I agree with you. Unless something dramatic happens and Tyson reunites with Rooney, it ain't gonna happen like it should. I believe he would blow out John Ruiz, but with Ruiz being linked to King and all the strings that come attached to it, I don't think that fight's gonna happen.
It's just as well, cuz' I wouldn't be too keen on Tyson beating Ruiz for the WBA belt and being called a "3-time world champion". He would have to beat the real champ to make it legit, even in his mind. Klitchko would not be a fight I'd like to see Mike against, especially without the right training.
Catskills beckons, but will he heed the call?
The rest of his career depends on that very answer.
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*Censor* superbad, finally someone else saying the same thing about the division that I have been saying for awhile now. alright that is 2 perspectives against the rest of the boxing world.
Another thing that many are saying is that the heavyweights that Tyson fought were all bums and that he is over hyped. I have been stating for awhile and getting verbally asaulted each time I say this, the 80's heavyweights were just as good as the 90's contendars.
I suppose the reasoning behind these views regarding the 80's and today are because they followed ALI and TYSON. Many people spout out about how todays fighters are all bums, etc...but how many people have actually been in the ring or participated in a fighting event. I will never say that a fighter is a bum. It takes alot of heart just to step in the ring to fight someone. Writers critique the fighters as if they are non persons and just spectacles for their amusement. Take Michael Grant, after he did not realize the potential that the sports writers were ascerting, they branded him a no class bum with no heart for life. Tell me how is a fighter ever going to improve himself if the entire boxing media is calling him a loser which then spills into the general public mind, and of course it will come into a boxers mind. Society treatment and destruction of Tysons mind is the cause of his ills today, His wasted potential. It is interesting other sports, if a person has a bad year, they call it an off year, in our sport we label them bums, has beens, never wases, wasted potential, losers, etc. which will of course destroy many fighters wills, except maybe glen johnson. That dude is a throwback. 8 or 9 loses and keeps on going. Dude must have a mind a will of an old soldier.
Many of the doubters of Tyson achievements never saw Tyson in his prime only the post prison tyson, were HBO branded him a has been with termendous wasted potential. I was just coming into my teens when Tyson was in his prime and believe me when everyone, not just us Tyson fans, thought Tyson was truley the baddest man on the planet. He was not overhyped. I do not ever remember watching an espn segment in his prime stating, Tyson the invention of the mass media, public persona created. The overhype of all time. Media loves to bash people when they are on their way out.
Even though the society that surrounded Tyson destroyed his confidence, I truly believe in a persons potential of overcoming society ills. It is truly up to Tyson to bring his A game. In truth, he never loss his skills, just his confidence. He started to believe the detractors and the naysayers. I believe in the rehab sector of our society, we can achieve anything, Mike Tyson with the confidence and determination will regain a belt. But will it be too late, maybe tyson still has some skills left, but time does start to rob the stamina and reaction time. The speed, power and timing can always be retaught. It is the reaction, response time. Stamina can be delt with to a degree as well.
Course why should tyson care about a boxing legacy in which all comers of the sport is now stating that he was nothing, not even a top ten all time heavyweight. Would love to see Tyson to recement his legacy by destroying all comers within the next 2 years and then tell the boxing networks and media to eat shi$$ and walk off into the sunset just like marvin hagler.
While Tyson was tearing everyone's ass up, all the reporters were on his *Censor*.
*Censor*...just think about that time...when Tyson was the most respected man in the game...a totally different world and reality that's hard to fathom now...it actually makes me nostalgic...*Censor*...
Yeah, Tyson was the baddest man no doubt, but when the *Censor* went down all of a sudden "he was an overrated product of media hype"...FROM THE VERY SAME GUYS WHO WERE RAVING ABOUT HIM UP WHEN WAS ON TOP!!!!!!!
Funny ain't it?
But it's only right, as these *Censor* hypocrites can't see it themselves.
So if he was mediocrity hyped then according to their logic, they must not know *Censor* because they were praising him, too...
Yeah, that media hype *Censor* always annoyed me, too.
Say what you want, but I'll tell you why Tyson caught the public's imagination and why he wasn't just another ordinary heavyweight.
HE WAS KNOCKING *Censor* OUT TIME AFTER TIME AFTER TIME IN THE MOST DEVASTATING OF WAYS!!!! HIM AND HIS TWO FISTS ONLY, NOT THE MEDIA! HE WAS HIS OWN MEDIA, HIS OWN PR!!!! NAME ANY OTHER HEAVYWEIGHT WHO HAD THE KIND OF STREAK TYSON DID!!!
There is a big defference between Tyson and Tua. Tyson's knockouts are of a much different breed and quality than any other heavyweight since Joe Louis.
Media hype, my ass. People know what they see. We know what happens to truly hyped media prospects: they lose and get forgotten quickly.
Tyson's still here.
For you critics who say this: after all this time, why are you still writing about him if he isn't or wasn't such a bad *Censor*...?
Yeah, McBain. They're a *Censor* joke.
Nice social/cultural analysis and insight.
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Sat Jan 29, 2005 4:48 pm
roach iis just tryin to help he even said that mike should retire he is only giving tips that are very true but i rely hope the knee doesn't go again cause it would be a big shame
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