Did prime tyson have the feet to be a dancer or mover ? .

Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 10:28 am

slugger wrote:

I know it wouldnt of suited tysons style, but did prime tyson have the feet to get up on his toes and dance around the ring as fast and as good as tyrell biggs and larry holmes ? . I think mike did , if you ever seen prime tyson on the skipping rope he looks light on his feet and his feet appear to be cordinated , which is what dancing is about .

Yo dude, are you from the pound....if you are you asked this question about 5 times there. Just trying to get some new opinions.....

Anyone and everyone can actually get up on there toes and dance around the ring as you put it. yes tyson could have done this just as easily as anyone else, if he believed that it would have benefited him. The way he trained, he would have perfected it. All boxers could do this, it is just a matter of practice. You do not need to be born with some athletic giftness to get up on your toes and side step, back step, etc.. Just good rhythm, timing, and stamina. But this would have never suited tyson, per se during his fighting out of a situation. yes this would have helped him learn how to back out of a corner, but alas, in his early days he never needed this tool, nor did he want it, he was a purist ring cutter and killer. Pure motion with the intention of destruction. Problem is once he stopped caring about himself, his career, he stopped training, which made him a sitting targeting, plodding in.

Course with his reach, he forgot about the angles, head movement is important yes, but it was the angles. Now with his back condition, he will never be able to train like he use to. His form will never be the same. Most of his defensive fighting technique was bending at the waist and side steping, ect...peek a boo or whatever...that tech wears on a body. Patterson's back started to go later in his career as well.

Besides, holmes learned his craft by copying and sparring ALI and modifying a few things to better suit his ability or understaning.

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Okay mcbain if tyson or anyone could dance and bounce on their toes how come larry holmes said that mike tyson didnt have the ability to do it ? .

Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 12:53 pm

slugger wrote:

Okay mcbain if tyson or anyone could dance and bounce on their toes how come larry holmes said that mike tyson didnt have the ability to do it ? .

Everyone is built with 2legs, 2hands, etc. Due to this fact, there are very few variations to a fighting system that you can enhance or change. Basically everyone has the exact same weapons and defensive measures, it is up to you to find the ones that best suit your genetic makeup. Yes genetic makeup does dertermine your strength, stamina, performance, etc. to a degree in athletics, ie. white(fast twitch, extreem muscle load, powerful, high fatigue factor to red muscle fiber(slow twitch, endurance, constant performance) etc. For instance, a perdominate muslce bound person is primarly made up of fast twitch muscle fiber, mike tyson. However, even though his fatigue factor is higher than say a Larry Holmes who looked more built for endurance, Tyson could still train his body to be accustomed to the latic acid build up which fast twitch muscle fibers have a more problem with excreeting compared to the red muscle fibers. He can also enhance his bodies ability to secreat these acids, therefore increasing his endurance factor. Yes Larry may have been more suited for this style than say Tyson, but to disregard the fact that he could study learn and perfect this part of boxing would be disrespecting a boxers ability to learn and understand the basic motions of movement. I believe that since Tyson was able to understand the complex method of movements that CUS instilled in him, he could have easily understood the motions, movement, and excution to perform this style. Boxers and fighters are a rare breed. We tend to execute the same rhythm over and over in order to perfect that specific movement to the best of our ability. Tyson was fast, quick, powerful and very intune with his mind, muscle connection. He was truly an anomoly to the point that he could have probably learned anystyle. The same with Jones and ALI and a few others. Granted each person learned the style that best suited there muscle, frame, weight, reach, etc. The true boxers are master mimics first, then they are able to understand why they perform these movements, then enhance there fighting style. Course this is just my opinion, so take it with a grain of salt, i am no expert.

Besides, Larry would say that about Tyson because Holmes cannot stand Tyson. He still resents him for KTFO. Course the excuses came from camp Holmes for his performance.

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Man you sould like a physiothearpist where did you learn all that stuff ? .

Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 2:25 pm

slugger wrote:

Man you sould like a physiothearpist where did you learn all that stuff ? .

Actually slugger, I learned all of this through trial and error. Plus I have been involved in weight training since 88. Granted I have not been the most dedicated, but I have read over thousands of articles on Muscle training and the anatomy and physiology concepts. I hope to get my personal training degree and I also am a student of the martial art Shotokan Karate. I belong to the Western Illinois Shotokan Karate Club. When I first joined I thought I would never be able to do that as well as the others, but I have learned that I can do just as much as the other guy. The only conditions that will hamper me are flexibility, which has alot to do with latic acid build up believe it or not, and reaction time. Unfortunately I started martial arts realtively late in life, so my reaction time is not what it could have been (all though I can improve my reaction time through training sessions, but according to most athletic coaches, your reaction time starts to go downhill around 35, this gives me 5 more years according to the norm, but I hope to prove them wrong. Wonder if reaction time and the slow deteriation of eyesight have physiological connections. Course what you cannot see, you cannot react to, but it seems eyesight and reaction start to decline at similar times.

Probably not a connection, since I am sure not all boxers started with perfect vision. Who knows, our nervous system is so complexed.

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McBain wrote:

Besides, Larry would say that about Tyson because Holmes cannot stand Tyson. He still resents him for KTFO. Course the excuses came from camp Holmes for his performance.

lol. That is soo true. Larry hates Tyson on every occasion.
Mike is the only one who could knock Larry Holmes down and out,...yet he denies that Tyson isn't the one he faced with the hardest punch.

You're never going to hear any good from Larry about Tyson.

Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 4:31 pm

Cus wrote:

McBain wrote:

Besides, Larry would say that about Tyson because Holmes cannot stand Tyson. He still resents him for KTFO. Course the excuses came from camp Holmes for his performance.

lol. That is soo true. Larry hates Tyson on every occasion.
Mike is the only one who could knock Larry Holmes down and out,...yet he denies that Tyson isn't the one he faced with the hardest punch.

You're never going to hear any good from Larry about Tyson.

Too true. he also has the hate on for Foreman.

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Okay mcbain I see what your saying but take lennox lewis for example he was about 6'5 and 250 pounds but he wasent able to dance and move around the ring like larry holmes just like holmes couldnt move and dance like ali see what I am saying . How good and fast would prime tyson of being able to dance and move in your opinion ? .

Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 4:59 pm

When Larry Holmes fought Tyson, he was not in good shape, i heard him say this in a interview, on BBC telivision. BUt that could just be him being a bad looser, Holmes was proberly the greatest fighter Tyson has ever fought along with EvaNder Holyfield and Lennox Lewis.

Did Holmes come out of retirement to fight Tyson.

Also i have stated this in other posts, when is Tyson going to sit down. At a press conference, and annouce to the worldS media what he is going to do. It is about time, he started to be professional, all these talks on internet chat rooms, arn't helping.
But they are good for the fans.

If Mike Tyson wanted to fight so bad, i belave we would be talkiNG about his up and coming fight.

Mike Tyson by far, by far is the biggest thing in boxing.

no doubt.

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Well i quizzed larry about tysons ability to dance and bounce on his toes again and told him tyson was able to jump rope and had a lot of spring in his legs and this time he conceded that tyson could dance and bounce around but that he didnt have the ring generalship to be able to throw punches at the same , he said that wasent tysons training style that tyson was good but he didnt have allround boxing skills . I think I am breaking larry down I will convince him tyson was the greatest fighter who ever lived yet .

Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2005 9:19 am

At the end of the day, Mike TYSON IS A GREAT BOXER. He cannot DANCE around the ring and fight like Mu hammad Ali, because he is fighting, people taller and bigger than him. Tyson must always be the fighter, pressing the fight and appling the pressure. If you force Tyson onto his back foot, he is a beaten fighter.

Why do i say he is a great boxer, and has good skills. Beacuse he is a heavweight, and what heavyweght around today. Slips, punches throws good combinations. The Tyson i saw in the first round against Danny Williams was good.

All this *Censor* about, he cannot fight like Larry Holmes is true. But Larry Holmes could not fight like Tyson, ducking and moving form side to side exspolsive, and i am right.

Mike Tyson's physic, is why he fights like that.

His reach, does not enable him to box backing off.

He must always be in range, and going forward. This is no sercet, i can't beleave some of the discussions on here.

anyone can box, and have good skills. But it is physically, where Tyson is great. Even Evander Holyfeild said on his website, Mike Tyson was the only boxer i thought i could not out work in the gym.

That was the Tyson from teh 80's, also he said that Mike Tyson inspired him to go up to heavyweight.

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What enables a fighter to be able to dance and bounce around on their toes is it cordination , balance , spring in their legs what ? .

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Yo mcbain are you a pro fighter ? .

Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2005 7:59 pm

But why would a 5"11 1/2 225 pounds, boxer want to dance. I have told you All befor, Tyson physically can dance and move like ALi. But it is tatical why he fights the why he fights, he must always be going forward, and must always be ready to aplie power. Even Tysons jabs, are dangerous, he knocked down Julius Francis Twice with a poWer jab.

So i think tHE question, that was ask in this post. Ha s alrerady been anserwed, of course Tyson can dance and move.

But fighting in that why would not benefit him, against other Heavyweights.

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he was too heavy even in his prime he was boxing around 220 ali was 200 and he had a unique style no one really dance like maybe som 1 like ali