I'm just curious. Everytime I see P4P on a boxing forum, I shudder. It seems that everyone has their own criteria when looking at P4P lists. So, what does it mean to you? And how do you come up with your personal lists. I'll go first
To me, P4P means that
-You have beaten every legitimate challenger in your weight division,
-Have faced multiple boxing styles and successfully defeated every one,
-Have a career of AT LEAST 30 or more fights with no more than a third of them against challengers outside of the top 15 and no more than 2 losses (not in the same year) against top 5 fighters, 1 loss against top 10 and 0 losses against anyone not in the top 10 (this is what makes a P4P legendary)
-Avenge all losses
-Won the WBC title and/or unified those disgusting alphabet titles
-Defended your titles AT LEAST 8 times successfully
-You don't necessarily have to change weight classes to be P4P.
I know those seem really ridiculous, but trust me, because of the state of boxing today, I had to dumb them down from what Benny Leonard and SRR did to earn the P4P honor.
To me there can only be one P4P. Otherwise, the distinction has no meaning. The guy who's P4P, the best boxer in the world is just that. The best. P4P isn't supposed to be like the rankings chart. Like the Highlander: "There can be only one!"
I'm just curious. Everytime I see P4P on a boxing forum, I shudder. It seems that everyone has their own criteria when looking at P4P lists. So, what does it mean to you? And how do you come up with your personal lists. I'll go first
To me, P4P means that
-You have beaten every legitimate challenger in your weight division,
-Have faced multiple boxing styles and successfully defeated every one,
-Have a career of AT LEAST 30 or more fights with no more than a third of them against challengers outside of the top 15 and no more than 2 losses (not in the same year) against top 5 fighters, 1 loss against top 10 and 0 losses against anyone not in the top 10 (this is what makes a P4P legendary)
-Avenge all losses
-Won the WBC title and/or unified those disgusting alphabet titles
-Defended your titles AT LEAST 8 times successfully
-You don't necessarily have to change weight classes to be P4P.
I know those seem really ridiculous, but trust me, because of the state of boxing today, I had to dumb them down from what Benny Leonard and SRR did to earn the P4P honor.
To me there can only be one P4P. Otherwise, the distinction has no meaning. The guy who's P4P, the best boxer in the world is just that. The best. P4P isn't supposed to be like the rankings chart. Like the Highlander: "There can be only one!"
I'm just curious. Everytime I see P4P on a boxing forum, I shudder. It seems that everyone has their own criteria when looking at P4P lists. So, what does it mean to you? And how do you come up with your personal lists. I'll go first
To me, P4P means that
-You have beaten every legitimate challenger in your weight division,
-Have faced multiple boxing styles and successfully defeated every one,
-Have a career of AT LEAST 30 or more fights with no more than a third of them against challengers outside of the top 15 and no more than 2 losses (not in the same year) against top 5 fighters, 1 loss against top 10 and 0 losses against anyone not in the top 10 (this is what makes a P4P legendary)
-Avenge all losses
-Won the WBC title and/or unified those disgusting alphabet titles
-Defended your titles AT LEAST 8 times successfully
-You don't necessarily have to change weight classes to be P4P.
I know those seem really ridiculous, but trust me, because of the state of boxing today, I had to dumb them down from what Benny Leonard and SRR did to earn the P4P honor.
To me there can only be one P4P. Otherwise, the distinction has no meaning. The guy who's P4P, the best boxer in the world is just that. The best. P4P isn't supposed to be like the rankings chart. Like the Highlander: "There can be only one!"
I'm just curious. Everytime I see P4P on a boxing forum, I shudder. It seems that everyone has their own criteria when looking at P4P lists. So, what does it mean to you? And how do you come up with your personal lists. I'll go first
To me, P4P means that
-You have beaten every legitimate challenger in your weight division,
-Have faced multiple boxing styles and successfully defeated every one,
-Have a career of AT LEAST 30 or more fights with no more than a third of them against challengers outside of the top 15 and no more than 2 losses (not in the same year) against top 5 fighters, 1 loss against top 10 and 0 losses against anyone not in the top 10 (this is what makes a P4P legendary)
-Avenge all losses
-Won the WBC title and/or unified those disgusting alphabet titles
-Defended your titles AT LEAST 8 times successfully
-You don't necessarily have to change weight classes to be P4P.
I know those seem really ridiculous, but trust me, because of the state of boxing today, I had to dumb them down from what Benny Leonard and SRR did to earn the P4P honor.
To me there can only be one P4P. Otherwise, the distinction has no meaning. The guy who's P4P, the best boxer in the world is just that. The best. P4P isn't supposed to be like the rankings chart. Like the Highlander: "There can be only one!"
Your thoughts?
Yes I agree with you its a very tough criteria The only boxers who fill it are Sugar Ray Robinson, Ali, Lennox Lewis, Carlos Monzon,Marciano and Hopkins although he is still fighting then there are the almosts like Hagler, Leanard, Jones jnr, Tunney, Tsyzu has anyone got anymore.
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I'm just curious. Everytime I see P4P on a boxing forum, I shudder. It seems that everyone has their own criteria when looking at P4P lists. So, what does it mean to you? And how do you come up with your personal lists. I'll go first
To me, P4P means that
-You have beaten every legitimate challenger in your weight division,
-Have faced multiple boxing styles and successfully defeated every one,
-Have a career of AT LEAST 30 or more fights with no more than a third of them against challengers outside of the top 15 and no more than 2 losses (not in the same year) against top 5 fighters, 1 loss against top 10 and 0 losses against anyone not in the top 10 (this is what makes a P4P legendary)
-Avenge all losses
-Won the WBC title and/or unified those disgusting alphabet titles
-Defended your titles AT LEAST 8 times successfully
-You don't necessarily have to change weight classes to be P4P.
I know those seem really ridiculous, but trust me, because of the state of boxing today, I had to dumb them down from what Benny Leonard and SRR did to earn the P4P honor.
To me there can only be one P4P. Otherwise, the distinction has no meaning. The guy who's P4P, the best boxer in the world is just that. The best. P4P isn't supposed to be like the rankings chart. Like the Highlander: "There can be only one!"
Your thoughts?
Yes I agree with you its a very tough criteria The only boxers who fill it are Sugar Ray Robinson, Ali, Lennox Lewis, Carlos Monzon,Marciano and Hopkins although he is still fighting then there are the almosts like Hagler, Leanard, Jones jnr, Tunney, Tsyzu has anyone got anymore.
I disagree with you about Ali, Lewis, and Marciano and I agree with you about Leonard, Jones Jr and Tsuzu.
Come on. You know Louis was completely eroded as a fighter. Don't kid yourself. Joe Louis doesn't qualify because his competition wasn't as solid as Robinson's.
Come on. You know Louis was completely eroded as a fighter. Don't kid yourself. Joe Louis doesn't qualify because his competition wasn't as solid as Robinson's.
i agree. robinson was the most dominant middle weight at its strongest time . it was full of talent and sugar beat them all. any who beat him would fall in rematches. i think people who say this man is over rated are fools. he could do it all. slug box dance had speed power stamina good chin great ring work. and he showed it against the best and came out on top. best welterweight ever imo. he wasnt as good at middleweight but was still very dominant.
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Come on. You know Louis was completely eroded as a fighter. Don't kid yourself. Joe Louis doesn't qualify because his competition wasn't as solid as Robinson's.
i agree. robinson was the most dominant middle weight at its strongest time . it was full of talent and sugar beat them all. any who beat him would fall in rematches. i think people who say this man is over rated are fools. he could do it all. slug box dance had speed power stamina good chin great ring work. and he showed it against the best and came out on top. best welterweight ever imo. he wasnt as good at middleweight but was still very dominant.
Wasn't as good at middleweight? I disagree From 50 to 52, Robinson fought at middleweight with only one points loss to Randy Turpin who was TKOd in their rematch. I think you're selling Sugar Ray pretty short.
Come on. You know Louis was completely eroded as a fighter. Don't kid yourself. Joe Louis doesn't qualify because his competition wasn't as solid as Robinson's.
i agree. robinson was the most dominant middle weight at its strongest time . it was full of talent and sugar beat them all. any who beat him would fall in rematches. i think people who say this man is over rated are fools. he could do it all. slug box dance had speed power stamina good chin great ring work. and he showed it against the best and came out on top. best welterweight ever imo. he wasnt as good at middleweight but was still very dominant.
Wasn't as good at middleweight? I disagree From 50 to 52, Robinson fought at middleweight with only one points loss to Randy Turpin who was TKOd in their rematch. I think you're selling Sugar Ray pretty short.
i never sold him short. he was one of the best middlweights there has been. compared to his welterweight reign he wasnt as good
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He only fought for a few years as a middleweight before he retired the first time, but I think he was just as impressive.
please understand that i am not saying he was bad at middlweight. anyone who thinks he was anything less than great at that division is a fool. he is high in the top 5 middleweights of all time and the all time p4p lists. i am just saying i think his welterweight reign was his most impressive time.
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