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Steve Lotts points about the new Doc - main discussion topic
June 7, 2009
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Some good points here, I dont want to say too much about it though, cause it goes down in history, unlike normal verbal conversation. But to me, it sounds like Steve used to be Tysons good friend a long time ago, and does not like what the man has shaped himself into today. I see hes also defending his friends, Cayton and Jacobs, for the things Tyson said about them, as they obviously cant defend themselves now (rip), which is honorable of Steve to do.

But...it sounds like Steve is angry at Mike and has something to prove about Mikes past that he shared with him for some years, which is brought up alot here, with Mikes past. I think alot people wanna make Mike out to be what they want him to be in there lives, A Hero, A Warrior, a source of inspiration for them, and thats fine for us all, as in the ring for me, he was all of those. And thats why I think no one wants to hear what Steve has to say.

But remember that story of the kid who looked up to the hero on the movie screen when he was a boy, then met him later in real life when he grew up, and the hero wasnt the same person he dreamed he was. Sometime maybe its better to hold onto the innocence of the kid, rather than the wisdom of the man.

Anyway...

Mike Tysons life is his own now, even though its shared with the public. No one has the right to judge him until there ready to put there shit on the table too. I hope it all works out, after all, Tyson's just a man himself.

June 7, 2009
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One more thing, on another note, this is the wrong time to be discussing any of this past nonsense. If anything, we should be only concerned about someone we care about, that just lost there little girl , tragically. This includes you too Steve. I know your an honorable guy, and no matter how you feel about Tyson today, maybe its time to pick up that phone and show your old friend some love and support right now, like you used to give him, in this desperate time of need.

God Bless

June 7, 2009
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@ShawnTyson,

I don't think anyone is being blind sided at the antics that Mike has done. He also has admitted he has made mistakes, but to so called "expose" him more than what has been done? I just think that Steve is just going too far,. As I said in the last post "no other prize fighters"? I think you made a good point about maybe they should talk.

June 8, 2009
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DLove,

I dont know if "exposing" what Tyson said in the film will do him good or bad at this point in his life, and frankly, since im not upclose and personel with the man, like Steve Lott was at one point, its not my business really to take sides.

I only loved the way he fought, and am glad hes here on planet earth, to inspire us few to try and do the same!

Peeeeece

June 9, 2009
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I want to hear what Steve is telling about Tyson.
I mean,he has a lot of videos,personal information about Tyson during his golden era.

June 9, 2009
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I want to hear what Steve is telling about Tyson.
I mean,he has a lot of videos,personal information about Tyson during his golden era.

I agree, and thats the era which I most love anyway, and Steve would have the most insight of those days since Tyson lived with him. I should have said, most here, dont wanna hear it, as it seems most are against what Steve has to say about Tyson today.

June 9, 2009
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Best. Thread. Ever.

I'm sure I would like Steve if I ever met him. He always impressed me in past Tyson documentaries; you could tell he is/was a cat who held a strong affinity for Mike. There's no doubt these two were like brothers some years back, and we all should remember this.

Now, however, Steve is coming across as very bitter towards Mike.

Though I disagree with some of his points, I'm glad he's come to this forum to participate.

'Cause I knew I would fawkin kill them if they fawked with me

June 10, 2009
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Blues youre absolutely right , but this is a fan forum.
Steve could have been a little more respectfull towards us.
And to Mike.
Steve hasnt said one good thing about Mike , and im talking about the present Mike not the Mike from the 80s.

I mean the man has kicked a drug habbit , got his moneys in order ( still in debt) but doesnt matter, did a great docu , a book is comming , EA' s fight night round 4 , The Hangover , suffered a terrible loss with Exodus , etc , etc

Still no words from Steve about that around here.

He still likes to talk about the Pepsi , NYPD posterboy days.

c" mon

Gr Basedee.

June 10, 2009
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Blues youre absolutely right , but this is a fan forum.
Steve could have been a little more respectfull towards us.
And to Mike.
Steve hasnt said one good thing about Mike , and im talking about the present Mike not the Mike from the 80s.

I mean the man has kicked a drug habbit , got his moneys in order ( still in debt) but doesnt matter, did a great docu , a book is comming , EA' s fight night round 4 , The Hangover , suffered a terrible loss with Exodus , etc , etc

Still no words from Steve about that around here.

He still likes to talk about the Pepsi , NYPD posterboy days.

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Right, this is a fan forum. But as long as we're being respectful, I'm cool with people who are more critical of Mike coming on here and voicing their opinions. Aren't you?

But yeah, you would think Steve would take a time-out from his campaign to spread the "truth" regarding Mike's life and maybe express some sympathy over the death of Mike's daughter. Or at least give him credit for, apparantely, staying clean for I think it's two years now.

Instead, he says 'don't be surprised if he relapses.' That, to me, says a lot.

And yeah, he's come off a little condescending, but like I said, he's got a deep history with Mike and I respect him for that.

I'll give Steve another chance, but I swear...if he mentions one more time how many endoresements Mike used to have in the '80s, that's it Mr. Lott.
I kid.

'Cause I knew I would fawkin kill them if they fawked with me

June 17, 2009
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Just read this one again, I dont think Steve is with us anymore as the last comment sounded like he was signin off for good

Great stuff though, invaluable for sure Wink

June 23, 2009
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just finished reading all 8 pages and alot of people have good/valid points!

having watched the documentary and watched tonnes of tyson's interview footage over the years ill try and add some insight aswell.

mike did use the word slavemasters but i dont know why this is such a big deal for you personally steve? maybe you can be abit more clearer for this. my take on this, you guys where the only people mike had in his life at that time? sure he could go back to new york and throw his life away but that would do nothing for him financially or as a person, besides he had that fire in him to make cus proud and his statement of being youngest heavyweight champ come true. mike knew he was making jacobs and cayton rich but at the same time he did it on their terms not his and maybe he felt what they wanted from his was excessive and he had very little time for himself?

in my opinion, when tyson lost his parental guardian and lets face it best friend, mentor and life coach it cus' and it may be true that he had a good relationship with you guys (yourself, rooney, cayton and jacobs) but isnt it possible that's all he had with you guys? im not being disrepectful, what i mean is, he may of saw you guys as good people, but he didnt bond with you (with the exception of jacobs maybe) as what you guys would of like, in what he did with cus?

i remember watching a clip from years ago where mike was talking about fighters (primerirly heavyweights i believe) at the end of their careers, or who have retired? who end up broke and turn to some kind of drug addiction, and to me mike seemed fascinated by these guys baring in mind he was about 20 at the time i believe? i think he went along and finished this interview in saying that these guys get more sympathy then the guys who retired on top. and maybe he too wanted people to feel sorry for him thats why he did the things he did? also from another interview i recall him saying that people are going to tell their kids about him and their great great grandkids and he will always be remembered as a bizare individual? or something to that effect? and that maybe too a indication that he wants to be remembered forever as a sorry state.

i think mike left you guys for his own independence, he said in his new "bio-pic" that he thought he deserved more of the money because he did all the hard graff, but anyone who knows anything about boxing knows everything is down to the promoters and managers.. i can think of a few boxers that never made the big time (not because they werent good enough) but because the people behind them where out of their depth, mike was definitely naive when he said this (i cant recall if he was reflecting on the past, or if he still feels that way to date)

i dont really know why you have such animosity towards mike though, its like you wont stop until mike apologizes to every one individually for the way his career turned out, we all make mistakes and feel ashamed by our actions, i believe mike was so ashamed what he let givens do to him that he couldnt go back to you guys.. and that at that time the only other plausible option at that time was to go with don king.
i know that he never reached his full potential and the likely hood that he would of reached it with you guys.. no one will ever know. but from what i remember.. when mike introduced givens to jacobs and or clayton, one of the two was very impressed with her and encouraged mike to continue dating her?
so if she could fool two of the greatest minds in boxing management, its worrying to think what she could do (and did) to a vulnerable mike tyson.

i can remember mike saying on record that he no longer wanted to fight anymore after the spinks fight? (and who ever was promoting him at the time laughed it off and mike told them.. who ever it was at the time.. he was deadly serious) was there anything what made you think he was speaking the truth if infact you heard this at all, steve?

steve am i right to believe it was your apparment mike was in when he was sleeping on the couch? instead of renting another appartment saying he preffered being with you? or was that some one else?? and you (or that other person) said they couldnt believe it, after waking up everymorning to find the heavy weight champion of the world sleeping on their couch? i think also the reason he slept on the couch was so he didnt wake any one up for his early morning runs?? that was a fantastic read but its been so long i cant remember too much about it?

and finally what was your greatest personal moment with mike inside or outside the ring and what was your worst moment in the 3 plus years you spent with him personally?

i liked the documentary and even though you contest alot of it as lies, i hope that the bits in question was "how he felt about the situation at the time" the one thing what could of topped the documentary in my opinion was if he directly acknowledged rooney, jacobs, cayton and yourself and that his career swan dived as soon as he got with givens and left you guys after the spinks fight, givens, king & finkel all got off lightly even though he mentioned he did give king a beat down in the bio-pic.

July 21, 2009
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Let's not forget that Jacobs robbed Floyd Patterson,probably Tyson knew about this dirty deal.
Now i understand why Tyson called them slave masters.

July 21, 2009
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Phew, great thread fellas, great thread. I haven't been on here for a while but these were some great discussions.

After having seen "Tyson" at home a few weeks ago and also after reading this entire thread, I still feel as though I know nothing about Mike Tyson even after all these years of being a fan, reading about him, watching docu's etc. He to me is one of the most puzzling characters of all time. It's impossible to truly understand the man, and I thought I would have after watching the movie but I still don't.

Sad days looking back at that great, short golden era of Mike with the Catskills team. Kevin Rooney is still over there in the gym I believe, and I saw an interview of his that looked recent. Steve Lott, it's great to see you still around this website. I think some of the members here should be more greatfull because there aren't many fansites that have someone participating who was actually around the person.
I hope you and Mike will find back your friendship one day.

Regards.

August 29, 2012
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Hi steve,

I know this is a few years ago but i have been reading all material available to me regarding this enigma called Mike Tyson. I have read Peter fullers Bad Intentions book and was astonished to find the level of control Don King played on Mike Tyson. I have two questions for you.

1. When Mike Tyson was dating Robin Givens didn't she know that the standard fee for a manager in boxing is 33%. Why didn't Tyson explain this concept to her and why did he allow her to run the show after they got married? Surly Mike could have put his foot down or explained the reasons. If this happened I believe Mike would not have sued Cayton.

2. When Mike Tyson left Cayton to go to Don King. Did any of you ask him why he was so attracted to Don King to begin with? When i read Peter's book I got the impression he was too depressed about his failed marriage to Robin Givens that he simply acted out in rage against those who were there to protect him. Didn't anyone have a talk with Tyson about his failed marriage.

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