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Steve Lotts points about the new Doc - main discussion topic
April 12, 2009
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With his search for attention he (steve lott) even made his own personal website with all the correspondence (b*llsh*t) that he wrote to all kinds of media and the manager of Mike Tyson. (http://www.cyberboxingzone.com.....004333.htm)

He (steve lott) gave his view of points after seeing the latest documentary and was so brave to alter the word criticism in too " all lies"

" All lies " Steve says..... one point in Steve's vision is that Mike called Jacobs and Cayton ' slavemasters '

He (steve) really got excited when Mike used his own words to describe his (Mike) feelings after looking back to his youth.
Steve wrote to several journalists that it is not true that Cayton and Jacobs were slavemasters.

When two older man think of a plan to earn millions and millions and have to contract a very young boy. And their take is millions and millions Yessss Steve than I think someone can call that kind of behaviour an act of slavemastering!

Ever heard of freedom of speech! And so what Steve.....Mike can choose his own words. You are correcting a 44 yeard old man, who do you think you are?

If you read all the correspondence that Steve Lott fabricated, it will astonish you.

So what are the lies that Steve refers to......... first of all Steve only worked with Mike for 2 a 3 years. Mike was only twenty years old at the time. How is it possible that Steve thinks he knows Mike even now after 24 years!!! It is really ridiculous.

He even mentioned the tattoo of Mike, that Mike should remove it immidiately, because it reminds people of the case of Desiree Washington..... these are Steve Lott's words.....

So after 24 years Steve know all the answers and is advising Mike Tyson what to do and what not to do.

Mike had a chance to make a one sides documentary which is beautifulle filmed by James Toback.
And what does Steve Lott do.......he wrote letters to all kinds of newspapers.
To tell them that it is all lies!!! And he knows what Mike should do right now in his life.
To tell someone what to do with his life, to tell someone how to look and dress ( e.g. remove facial tattoo) AND....
the most important point of Steve (really guys he mentioned this one too, read his letters) that Mike improves his image because Steve founded somekind of (fake) boxing hall of fame and that will benifit considerably.

reminds me of the remark in the documentary whem Mike mentioned the word ' slave masters'

Wikipedia: Slavery ;
Slavery is a form of forced labor in which people are considered to be, or treated as, the property of others. Slaves are held against their will from the time of their capture, purchase or birth, and are deprived of the right to leave, to refuse to work, or to receive compensation (such as wages). More recent use of the terms "slavery" and "slaves" can include metaphorical and analogous uses which may be applied to lesser forms of forced labor.

Steve if you had any respect for Mike than you would not even made a bad remark about the latest documentary to the baker on the corner in the street.
Mike Tyson is one of the best heavyweight fighters that ever lived, he accomplised and experienced so much in his life.
Now he is 44 years old, you knew him when he was 19/20 years old.

Get a life Steve !! it is pathetic the way you act. The way you finish your correspondence with almost every letter " Steve Lott, assistant manager of Mike Tyson 1986-1988"

I guess you (steve) feel attacked by this post but maybe it opens yours eyes.

Regards,

DR

April 12, 2009
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DR

I AM VERY SORRY YOU FEEL THIS WAY.

I WOULD LIKE TO MAIL YOU SOME VERY CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION.

PLEASE E-MAIL YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS TO ME:

BIGFIGHTS@AOL.COM

April 12, 2009
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i would give steve more credits. he may not be with tyson nomore but he still knows more about him then all of us together.

hes a good person and cares about tyson ans us tyson fans. look at all his posting here and the interviews he did. he tries to answers all our questions.

that said i do think steve should let mike be his own man. hes not fighting anymore and just wants peace.

and i can also understand why mike used the word slavemaster in the doc. he was very young when he signed the contract, the money split looked unfair to him because he was doing all the fighting, and he was always told what to do. he wanted more freedom and be his own independant man with more own decisions. thats how king lured him in

but we all know what king did

April 12, 2009
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JollyStompersBrownsville

Thank you for your comment.

One thing - I would love for Mike to be he own man. But he can not do that if he is surrounded by guys like his current managers, Harlan Werner and Damon Bingam, Director James Toback, and producer Jeffrey Berg.

Please remember that under the brilliant guidance of these men Mike was arrested for drunken driving and had cocaine in his possesion.

And if that wasn't bad enough, after he got out of rehab, those "advisors" permitted Mike to go right back to the drug addicts and pushers who got Mike hooked in the first place.

Why did they let Mike go right back to the drug addicts and pushers?

Because they know that if Mike is surrounded by those drug addicts and pushers there is no chance that Mike would get the guidance and counseling that he desparately needs to be his own man. This is exactly what Don King did when he surrounded Mike with Horne, Holloway, and Crocodile.

As long as Mike is with the guys he will never be his own man.

April 12, 2009
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I think being an own man means that you are not forced to choose the people you are and are not around with.

if you choose to be with people who might have a bad influence then that is your own decision

if you later on see that the people are a bad influence and choose not be be with these people anymore then that is your own decision.

if you are not with certain people because other people are against it then thats not your decision you are not your own person.

if mike wants to be with the current people then he should. if he sees they are wrong for him then he will get away from them on his own. either way i dont think he wants to be told what to do and forced to do the right thing. thats being his own man: doing the good or bad things in free will.

we can criticize the judgement he makes (even if it is not worth a lot. we are outsiders and dont know the reasons and background behind every decsion. what the situation really is and who is responsible for what outcome). but we should not force him in his decisions

April 12, 2009
3:26 pm
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btw we know the things you dont like about the doc (the 5 lies: 1. He was always an addict 2. He was always an alcoholic 3. He always had demons 4. Managers Jacobs and Cayton signed him when he was underage 5. Managers Jacobs and Cayton were slave masters).

but were there things you did like about the doc?

April 12, 2009
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I didn't know slave masters give millions to his slaves.
People should respect the meaning of the word slave.
No one forced Mike to become a boxer.
No one forced Mike to train hard.
The best way to punish Tyson was to prevent him from boxing training-Teddy Atlas
Tyson reaction at the time was"...no i want to train..."
Nobody forced him ever to do anything so stop with that nonsense that he was a slave.
He should be ashamed to tell in a documentary those lies.
He always did what he wanted to do,simply these guys forced him to follow society rules like everyone else.
Tyson can't make his own rules,he tried with his friends and got destroyed.
Tyson is the one who should shut up,because without Cus,Atlas or Rooney and the team of managers chosen by Cus he would be a street punk.
Steve Lott is right,these guys Jacobs and Cayton were the ones responsible for everything good Mike achieved and he calls them slave masters?
Guys that never robbed him?
Mike should speak about his buddies like Don King or those parasites Horne or Holloway.
But,no, he chooses to denigrate honest people.
He should face it, without Cus and these men who were Cus's friends, Tyson would be in prison and i seriously doubt that he could become World champion.
All of us know what happened to Mike after Rooney and his original team.
He lost with Douglas and got destroyed by Holyfield.
What pisses me off is that Mike never says anything about King or his pimp entourage who ruined his career,but he is ready to lie about the persons who helped him to become world champion.
Someone needs to step up and tell the truth!
Steve Lott is doing it.

April 12, 2009
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TheUnstoppableJuggernaut

Thank you for your comment.

Believe it or not, Mike does hit King in this film.

Not as hard as he should, but he does knock him.

But, Mike lets Givens and Finkel get a free ride.

Steve

April 12, 2009
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unstuppable you should def see the new documentary.

tyson has all but praises for Cus. the majority of the doc is about tyson telling how Cus meant so much in his life. he even starts crying when talking about him.

and mike had words about King too. He completely destroyed King and talked about how much of an error that period was.
he called King a piece of shit. and a slimy reptillian motherfucker who is ruthless and would kill his mother for a dollar.

It was so direct and foul towards king that i started to fear king would sue mike and toback after watching the doc

April 12, 2009
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unstuppable you should def see the new documentary.

tyson has all but praises for Cus. the majority of the doc is about tyson telling how Cus meant so much in his life. he even starts crying when talking about him.

and mike had words about King too. He completely destroyed King and talked about how much of an error that period was.
he called King a piece of *Censor*. and a slimy reptillian *Censor* who is ruthless and would kill his mother for a dollar.

It was so direct and foul towards king that i started to fear king would sue mike and toback after watching the doc

I didn't see it yet,however,i'm happy that finally he said something about King.
I still don't understand why he calls these guys slave masters if they helped him.
These guys were chosen by Cus.
Cus always said that they were honest and legally it is a proven fact that they never took a dolar from Mike.

April 12, 2009
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you should watch it

when making the slacemaster comment mike mentions that he found they took too much money (almost a third of the total).

April 12, 2009
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Regarding the managers share that went to Jim Jacobs and Bill Cayton.

When Robin Givens got Tyson to sue Bill Cayton in June of 1988, her accountants went through all of Cayton's books and records. The accountants knew that if they could show one dollar missing, Tyson would have grounds to leave Bill.

Robin was told by her accounants that Bill OVERPAID Mike.

So she settled the case with Bill and kept him on as manager.

When King conned Mike into his world in October 1988, his accountants went through Bill's records and found the same thing that Robin's accountants found - Mike was OVERPAID.

Now, to this day, no one has ever gone through King's books and records. All we know is that Mike sued Don for $400 million dollars.

Shelly Finkel convinced Mike to settle for $14 million. That Finkel - what a friend.

April 12, 2009
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TheUnstoppableJuggernaut

Thank you for your comment.

Believe it or not, Mike does hit King in this film.

Not as hard as he should, but he does knock him.

But, Mike lets Givens and Finkel get a free ride.

Steve

No problem, Steve.

[/quote]you should watch it

when making the slacemaster comment mike mentions that he found they took too much money (almost a third of the total).[quote]
I'm going to watch it as soon as possible.

April 12, 2009
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I may be wrong but in the film Tyson didn't call Jim Jacobs a slavemaster. He specifically said "Bill Cayton and THOSE guys" ie Cayton's management team.

Later on in the documentary he also refers to Jacobs as "Jimmy", again uttered with not a great deal of hostility and scorned undertones. I think Tyson's problem was with Cayton, with whom he didn't have a good relationship with whilst he was very close to Jacobs.

April 13, 2009
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Here is the story that will prove, once and for all, how Mike felt about Bill.

In 1999, the National Basketball All Star game took place here in New York at Madison Square Garden

Bill Cayton was sitting at courtside as a special guest of the NBA who he licensed footage for various projects.

When the game ended he looked up and saw a big black guy running across the court right at him. As the black man got closer Bill recognized him. It was Mike Tyson.

At that time in 1999, Bill had not spkoen to Mike in ten years. During that time Mike sued Bill becuase Robin conned him into it. Then Mike sued Bill becuase King conned him into it.

So, when Bill saw Mike running across the court directly at him he did now know what to expect.

What happenned shocked Bill.

Mike hugged him, kissed him on the cheek and told him the he still loves him.

If you put Mike on truth serum today he would say the same thing as he did with Bill in 1999.

But, becuase for the last ten years Mike has been around the Holloways, Hornes, Crocodiles, Kings, Finkels and now the Werners, Mike is so embarrassed at what he permitted them to do to him, that he must make up stories. The biggest lie is that he did not like Bill. It is complete BS.

April 13, 2009
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One thing - I would love for Mike to be he own man. But he can not do that if he is surrounded by guys like his current managers, Harlan Werner and Damon Bingam, Director James Toback, and producer Jeffrey Berg.

Hey Steve. First off, I think it's cool you come around these parts. I enjoy reading what you have to say. Are there even any other Tyson forums out there in cyberspace?

Anyway, what do you have against Jim Toback? Do you really think he's not looking out for Mike's best interests? If there's anybody out there who let's Mike be his 'own man,' Jim's it.
Toback's an interesting cat; don't forget he lived with Jim Brown back in the late '60s. Look at Jim's movies, like Black and White movie--who else would've given Mike Tyson circa 2000 a supporting role in a movie with Robert Downey and Brooke Shields?

I've seen him speak of Mike in film and in print, and that's a real friendship.

Toback's been sober a long time, too--he claims he took the biggest dose of acid ever when he was at Harvard. I don't recognize the other names they listed, though.
I guess I would ask another questions: Who should Mike be associating himself with?

'Cause I knew I would fawkin kill them if they fawked with me

April 13, 2009
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This is an interesting discussion
Here are my 2 cents .
I think the first comment from Des ( topicstarter ) is also my oppinion.
Mr Steve did even go on the Imdb movie data base to tell his now famous story.
Now if u do this here or on other boxing site, ill say okay , but youre taking it to far.
Looks like Steve is a little obsessed.

And why isnt Rooney or Atlas speaking up '?

I also think he should let it rest.
As for the slavemaster thing , maybe Mike felt this way , looking back on it now.
Maybe it is all in the mindset because Bill and Jim where white and Mike is black , or Mike felt he was to young to be contracted i dont know.
But these days kids in England or Spain that are really good in soccer they get contracted by major clubs like Real madrid or Manchester united when theyre not older than 12 so ..........
Times change.

I thought the movie was great and Steve must go on with it.
With all respect but u was with Mike 3 years in a carreer of 25 .

April 13, 2009
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Can you imagine watching Mike assault Don King in the parking lot of the Beverly Hills Hotel? Put that on PPV.

Funny he confirmed it; there were a lot of rumors going around as to how Tyson left King and the other two idiots.

'Cause I knew I would fawkin kill them if they fawked with me

April 13, 2009
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He did it in front of a bunch of old white ladys who thought the black heden had arrived hahahahah.

I just love the guy.

Peace out

Basedee

April 13, 2009
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I can see everyones point of view on this topic. Steve raises some interesting issues which can not be ruled out.
How ever, The documentary in my eyes is beautiful and i shed tears everytime i watch it.
If this isn't the whole truth then i cant see the real truth ever being told by mike, but i hope mike lives long and one day decides to do so.

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