Forums - TysonTalk http://www.tysontalk.com/ Mon, 22 Mar 2010 00:28:54 -0500 FeedCreator 1.8.0-nukeFEED (http://nukeSEO.com) Evening with http://www.tysontalk.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=31928#31928 no_email@example.com (kirrane) http://www.tysontalk.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=31928#31928 Iron Mike's Training http://www.tysontalk.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=31927#31927 Kier wrote: hi m27croatia

I don't knoe anything about a scott but steve lott, tyson's former assistant manger gave a brief summary of it in a interview with this site, here is the quote:

2. As an amateur boxer, I am interested in knowing other fighter's training regime. Can you give me a summary of Mike's prime training, diet/nutrition, strength/conditioning exercises etc?

RUNNING A FEW MILES A DAY CALISTHENICS: PUSHUPS, SIT UPS, LEG RAISES,
NECK BRACES
SPEED BAG
HEAVY BAG
SPARRING
FOOD
JUST BE INTELLIGENT
BUT - ALL OF THE ABOVE MEANS NOTHING IF YOU DO NOT MOVE YOUR HEAD. THAT IS WHAT SEPARATED MIKE TYSON FROM EVERY OTHER FIGHTER. THE DAMATO SYSTEM.

here is the full interview if your interested too.

http://www.tysontalk.com/article532.html

Thank you very much good sir. Yeah I meant Lott, sorry about that.

Thanks again.]]> no_email@example.com (M27CROATIA) http://www.tysontalk.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=31927#31927 What it takes to be the greatest http://www.tysontalk.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=31925#31925 no_email@example.com (M27CROATIA) http://www.tysontalk.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=31925#31925 Mike gets a reality show on Animal Planet http://www.tysontalk.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=31922#31922 no_email@example.com (MarcNL) http://www.tysontalk.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=31922#31922 smash down boxing http://www.tysontalk.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=31920#31920 no_email@example.com (jim3) http://www.tysontalk.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=31920#31920 Mike's influence has a long reach http://www.tysontalk.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=31919#31919
I guess this is what most of us would prefer Tyson to be remember as. The fighter inside the ring, one of the most interesting characters ever in the sport rather than ALL the negativity that surrounds him outside of it.

His story is also one of succes, because despite of the way his career ended up, it's just amazing that he became the youngest Heavyweight champion of all time after he came from nothing basicely.

So yeah, he probably is an inspiritation to people of all kinds of professions including actors.]]> no_email@example.com (Turk15) http://www.tysontalk.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=31919#31919 TTBO Round March 15th 2010 Results http://www.tysontalk.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=31918#31918 Image
TTBO RESULTS



The fights of this TTBO round with final results:

ImageImage
2010-03-13 21:00:00 : Manny Pacquiao versus Joshua Clottey : WUD
2010-03-13 19:00:00 : Alfonso Gomez versus Jose Luis Castillo : WK06
2010-03-13 19:00:00 : Humberto Soto versus David Diaz : WUD
2010-03-13 18:00:00 : John Duddy versus Michael Medina : WSD
2010-03-13 12:00:00 : Marco Huck versus Adam Richards : WK03





Image Title Match Change Reports : gwa defending against starz



Change report champion gwa :

gwa picked "Manny Pacquiao versus Joshua Clottey" victor correct with correct means of victory ( member picked WUD and fight result was WUD )
gwa picked "Alfonso Gomez versus Jose Luis Castillo" victor correct ( member picked WUD and fight result was WK06 )
gwa picked "Humberto Soto versus David Diaz" victor correct ( member picked WK10 and fight result was WUD )
gwa picked "John Duddy versus Michael Medina" victor correct with correct means of victory ( member picked WUD and fight result was WSD )
gwa picked "Marco Huck versus Adam Richards" victor correct with correct means of victory ( member picked WK07 and fight result was WK03 )

gwa scored: 5 wins, 0 losses and 3 KOs in this round - and got 8 TT points awarded.



Change report challenger starz :

starz picked "Manny Pacquiao versus Joshua Clottey" victor correct ( member picked WK08 and fight result was WUD )
starz picked "Alfonso Gomez versus Jose Luis Castillo" victor correct with correct means of victory ( member picked WK07 and fight result was WK06 )
starz picked "Humberto Soto versus David Diaz" victor correct ( member picked WK09 and fight result was WUD )
starz picked "John Duddy versus Michael Medina" victor correct with correct means of victory ( member picked WUD and fight result was WSD )
starz picked "Marco Huck versus Adam Richards" victor correct with correct means of victory ( member picked WK05 and fight result was WK03 )

starz scored: 5 wins, 0 losses and 3 KOs in this round - and got 8 TT points awarded.



We have a DRAW.....The bout is a draw on tt-points!
The champion gwa and challenger starz both scored 8 points!

We will now watch who picked the most \'exact\'-results in this title-match.


Exact picks champion gwa :

1. gwa picked "Manny Pacquiao versus Joshua Clottey" result exact (result WUD )


Exact picks challenger starz :

-starz picked no result exact


The winner on exact picks and.....STILL Undisputed Linear Champion of the TTBO........gwa !

The champion gwa has defeated the challenger starz by outpicking the challenger by 1 exact picks
against 0 exact picks !
The champion has defended his title succesfully for the 1-th time in a row.

crewe1000 has proven himself as a worthy challenger and has been awarded a mandatory shot to the Undisputed Linear Championship of the TTBO!






All Change Reports




Change report member: chad_dawson

chad_dawson picked "Manny Pacquiao versus Joshua Clottey" incorrect ( member picked LSD and fight result was WUD )
chad_dawson picked "Alfonso Gomez versus Jose Luis Castillo" victor correct with correct means of victory ( member picked WK05 and fight result was WK06 )
chad_dawson picked "Humberto Soto versus David Diaz" victor correct with correct means of victory ( member picked WUD and fight result was WUD )
chad_dawson picked "John Duddy versus Michael Medina" victor correct with correct means of victory ( member picked WUD and fight result was WSD )
chad_dawson picked "Marco Huck versus Adam Richards" victor correct with correct means of victory ( member picked WK06 and fight result was WK03 )

chad_dawson scored: 4 wins, 1 losses and 4 KOs in this round - and got 7 TT points awarded
chad_dawson\'s old record: 136 wins - 55 losses with 70 KOs and
chad_dawson\'s new record: 140 wins - 56 losses with 74 KOs.
chad_dawson had a rank change from old rank RETIRED to new rank COMEBACK FROM RETIREMENT.
New KO-ratio: 52.857142857143%. New Win-ratio: 71.428571428571%.
chad_dawson had a successful comeback from retirement by winning 3 out of 5 fights and now has a rank of THE GREATEST!




Change report member: crewe1000

crewe1000 picked "Manny Pacquiao versus Joshua Clottey" victor correct ( member picked WK08 and fight result was WUD )
crewe1000 picked "Alfonso Gomez versus Jose Luis Castillo" victor correct with correct means of victory ( member picked WK08 and fight result was WK06 )
crewe1000 picked "Humberto Soto versus David Diaz" victor correct with correct means of victory ( member picked WUD and fight result was WUD )
crewe1000 picked "John Duddy versus Michael Medina" victor correct with correct means of victory ( member picked WUD and fight result was WSD )
crewe1000 picked "Marco Huck versus Adam Richards" victor correct with correct means of victory ( member picked WK05 and fight result was WK03 )

crewe1000 scored: 5 wins, 0 losses and 4 KOs in this round - and got 9 TT points awarded
crewe1000\'s old record: 453 wins - 154 losses with 296 KOs and
crewe1000\'s new record: 458 wins - 154 losses with 300 KOs.
Rank: FORMER 10-time LINEAR CHAMPION. New KO-ratio: 65.502183406114%. New Win-ratio: 74.83660130719%.
Streak of consecutive wins is 5.
Imagecrewe1000 got the title "IRON MIKE" awarded with a KO-ratio of 65.50218%!
Imagecrewe1000 got the title "THE BADDEST MAN ON THE PLANET" awarded!
Imagecrewe1000 got the title "MOST IMPRESSIVE FIGHTER THIS WEEK" awarded by scoring 9 points this round!

crewe1000 has proven himself as a worthy challenger and has been awarded a mandatory shot to the Undisputed Linear Championship of the TTBO!

crewe1000 got the title "MOST FEARED OPPONENT OF THE TTBO" awarded with a feared score of 5!




Change report member: gwa

gwa picked "Manny Pacquiao versus Joshua Clottey" victor correct with correct means of victory ( member picked WUD and fight result was WUD )
gwa picked "Alfonso Gomez versus Jose Luis Castillo" victor correct ( member picked WUD and fight result was WK06 )
gwa picked "Humberto Soto versus David Diaz" victor correct ( member picked WK10 and fight result was WUD )
gwa picked "John Duddy versus Michael Medina" victor correct with correct means of victory ( member picked WUD and fight result was WSD )
gwa picked "Marco Huck versus Adam Richards" victor correct with correct means of victory ( member picked WK07 and fight result was WK03 )

gwa scored: 5 wins, 0 losses and 3 KOs in this round - and got 8 TT points awarded
gwa\'s old record: 397 wins - 145 losses with 221 KOs and
gwa\'s new record: 402 wins - 145 losses with 224 KOs.
gwa had a rank change from old rank 6-time UNDISPUTED LINEAR CHAMPION to new rank FORMER 6-time LINEAR CHAMPION.
New KO-ratio: 55.721393034826%. New Win-ratio: 73.491773308958%.
Streak of consecutive wins is 5.

Image gwa got the title "THE UNDISPUTED LINEAR CHAMPION" awarded!




Change report member: ironmike31

ironmike31 picked "Manny Pacquiao versus Joshua Clottey" victor correct ( member picked WK06 and fight result was WUD )
ironmike31 picked "Alfonso Gomez versus Jose Luis Castillo" victor correct with correct means of victory ( member picked WK08 and fight result was WK06 )
ironmike31 picked "Humberto Soto versus David Diaz" incorrect ( member picked LK04 and fight result was WUD )
ironmike31 picked "John Duddy versus Michael Medina" victor correct ( member picked WK11 and fight result was WSD )
ironmike31 picked "Marco Huck versus Adam Richards" incorrect ( member picked LUD and fight result was WK03 )

ironmike31 scored: 3 wins, 2 losses and 1 KOs in this round - and got 2 TT points awarded
ironmike31\'s old record: 104 wins - 46 losses with 56 KOs and
ironmike31\'s new record: 107 wins - 48 losses with 57 KOs.
ironmike31 had a rank change from old rank RETIRED to new rank COMEBACK FROM RETIREMENT.
New KO-ratio: 53.271028037383%. New Win-ratio: 69.032258064516%.
ironmike31 had a successful comeback from retirement by winning 3 out of 5 fights and now has a rank of THE GREATEST!




Change report member: jim3

jim3 picked "Manny Pacquiao versus Joshua Clottey" victor correct with correct means of victory ( member picked WUD and fight result was WUD )
jim3 picked "Alfonso Gomez versus Jose Luis Castillo" victor correct ( member picked WUD and fight result was WK06 )
jim3 picked "Humberto Soto versus David Diaz" victor correct ( member picked WK10 and fight result was WUD )
jim3 picked "John Duddy versus Michael Medina" incorrect ( member picked LUD and fight result was WSD )
jim3 picked "Marco Huck versus Adam Richards" victor correct ( member picked WUD and fight result was WK03 )

jim3 scored: 4 wins, 1 losses and 1 KOs in this round - and got 4 TT points awarded
jim3\'s old record: 238 wins - 127 losses with 114 KOs and
jim3\'s new record: 242 wins - 128 losses with 115 KOs.
Rank: FORMER 1-time LINEAR CHAMPION. New KO-ratio: 47.520661157025%. New Win-ratio: 65.405405405405%.




Change report member: lane27

lane27 picked "Manny Pacquiao versus Joshua Clottey" victor correct ( member picked WK02 and fight result was WUD )
lane27 picked "Alfonso Gomez versus Jose Luis Castillo" victor correct ( member picked WUD and fight result was WK06 )
lane27 picked "Humberto Soto versus David Diaz" victor correct with correct means of victory ( member picked WUD and fight result was WUD )
lane27 picked "John Duddy versus Michael Medina" victor correct with correct means of victory ( member picked WUD and fight result was WSD )
lane27 picked "Marco Huck versus Adam Richards" victor correct ( member picked WUD and fight result was WK03 )

lane27 scored: 5 wins, 0 losses and 2 KOs in this round - and got 7 TT points awarded
lane27\'s old record: 312 wins - 107 losses with 170 KOs and
lane27\'s new record: 317 wins - 107 losses with 172 KOs.
Rank: FORMER 3-time LINEAR CHAMPION. New KO-ratio: 54.258675078864%. New Win-ratio: 74.764150943396%.
Streak of consecutive wins is 5.




Change report member: pavsone

pavsone picked "Manny Pacquiao versus Joshua Clottey" victor correct ( member picked WK07 and fight result was WUD )
pavsone picked "Alfonso Gomez versus Jose Luis Castillo" victor correct ( member picked WUD and fight result was WK06 )
pavsone picked "Humberto Soto versus David Diaz" victor correct with correct means of victory ( member picked WUD and fight result was WUD )
pavsone picked "John Duddy versus Michael Medina" victor correct with correct means of victory ( member picked WUD and fight result was WSD )
pavsone picked "Marco Huck versus Adam Richards" victor correct with correct means of victory ( member picked WK07 and fight result was WK03 )

pavsone scored: 5 wins, 0 losses and 3 KOs in this round - and got 8 TT points awarded
pavsone\'s old record: 207 wins - 54 losses with 108 KOs and
pavsone\'s new record: 212 wins - 54 losses with 111 KOs.
Rank: THE GREATEST. New KO-ratio: 52.358490566038%. New Win-ratio: 79.699248120301%.
Streak of consecutive wins is 5.
Imagepavsone got the title "THE POUND FOR POUND KING " awarded with a WIN-ratio of 79.69925%!




Change report member: ponlork

ponlork picked "Manny Pacquiao versus Joshua Clottey" victor correct with correct means of victory ( member picked WUD and fight result was WUD )

ponlork scored: 1 wins, 0 losses and 1 KOs in this round - and got 2 TT points awarded
ponlork\'s new record: 1 wins - 0 losses with 1 KOs.
Rank: AMATEUR. New KO-ratio: 100%. New Win-ratio: 100%.




Change report member: potter

potter picked "Manny Pacquiao versus Joshua Clottey" victor correct ( member picked WK10 and fight result was WUD )
potter picked "Alfonso Gomez versus Jose Luis Castillo" incorrect ( member picked LK09 and fight result was WK06 )
potter picked "Humberto Soto versus David Diaz" victor correct ( member picked WK10 and fight result was WUD )
potter picked "John Duddy versus Michael Medina" victor correct with correct means of victory ( member picked WUD and fight result was WSD )
potter picked "Marco Huck versus Adam Richards" victor correct with correct means of victory ( member picked WK06 and fight result was WK03 )

potter scored: 4 wins, 1 losses and 2 KOs in this round - and got 5 TT points awarded
potter\'s old record: 75 wins - 29 losses with 42 KOs and
potter\'s new record: 79 wins - 30 losses with 44 KOs.
Rank: FORMER 1-time LINEAR CHAMPION. New KO-ratio: 55.696202531646%. New Win-ratio: 72.477064220183%.




Change report member: rahman

rahman picked "Manny Pacquiao versus Joshua Clottey" victor correct with correct means of victory ( member picked WSD and fight result was WUD )
rahman picked "Alfonso Gomez versus Jose Luis Castillo" victor correct ( member picked WUD and fight result was WK06 )

rahman scored: 2 wins, 0 losses and 1 KOs in this round - and got 3 TT points awarded
rahman\'s old record: 206 wins - 89 losses with 94 KOs and
rahman\'s new record: 208 wins - 89 losses with 95 KOs.
rahman had a rank change from old rank RETIRED to new rank COMEBACK FROM RETIREMENT.
New KO-ratio: 45.673076923077%. New Win-ratio: 70.03367003367%.
rahman\'s comeback-record since retirement is 2 wins - 0 losses.
rahman needs 1 wins out of the next 3 fights to succesfully come back out retirement.




Change report member: starz

starz picked "Manny Pacquiao versus Joshua Clottey" victor correct ( member picked WK08 and fight result was WUD )
starz picked "Alfonso Gomez versus Jose Luis Castillo" victor correct with correct means of victory ( member picked WK07 and fight result was WK06 )
starz picked "Humberto Soto versus David Diaz" victor correct ( member picked WK09 and fight result was WUD )
starz picked "John Duddy versus Michael Medina" victor correct with correct means of victory ( member picked WUD and fight result was WSD )
starz picked "Marco Huck versus Adam Richards" victor correct with correct means of victory ( member picked WK05 and fight result was WK03 )

starz scored: 5 wins, 0 losses and 3 KOs in this round - and got 8 TT points awarded
starz\'s old record: 399 wins - 166 losses with 229 KOs and
starz\'s new record: 404 wins - 166 losses with 232 KOs.
Rank: FORMER 5-time LINEAR CHAMPION. New KO-ratio: 57.425742574257%. New Win-ratio: 70.877192982456%.
Streak of consecutive wins is 5.




Change report member: the_thong

the_thong picked "Manny Pacquiao versus Joshua Clottey" victor correct ( member picked WK09 and fight result was WUD )
the_thong picked "Alfonso Gomez versus Jose Luis Castillo" victor correct ( member picked WUD and fight result was WK06 )
the_thong picked "Humberto Soto versus David Diaz" victor correct ( member picked WK11 and fight result was WUD )
the_thong picked "John Duddy versus Michael Medina" victor correct with correct means of victory ( member picked WSD and fight result was WSD )
the_thong picked "Marco Huck versus Adam Richards" victor correct with correct means of victory ( member picked WK06 and fight result was WK03 )

the_thong scored: 5 wins, 0 losses and 2 KOs in this round - and got 7 TT points awarded
the_thong\'s old record: 266 wins - 117 losses with 159 KOs and
the_thong\'s new record: 271 wins - 117 losses with 161 KOs.
Rank: FORMER 3-time LINEAR CHAMPION. New KO-ratio: 59.409594095941%. New Win-ratio: 69.845360824742%.
Streak of consecutive wins is 5.
the_thong got the title "MOST FEARED OPPONENT OF THE TTBO" awarded with a feared score of 5!




Change report member: vladika

vladika had a rank change from FORMER 3-time LINEAR CHAMPION to INACTIVE FORMER 3-time LINEAR CHAMPION due to not playing this round and will be retired and stripped if member won\'t play next round.




Change report member: jj2000

jj2000 had a rank change from THE GREATEST to INACTIVE THE GREATEST due to not playing this round and will be retired and stripped if member won\'t play next round.




Change report member: THE_THONG

ImageTHE_THONG got the title "THE LONGEST REIGNER" awarded with a defense streak record of 5 consecutive successful defenses!





Ranked Lists



ImageRanked list of the player-performances this week:

1. crewe1000 scored 9 points with session record ( 5-0; 4 kos )
2. starz scored 8 points with session record ( 5-0; 3 kos )
3. gwa scored 8 points with session record ( 5-0; 3 kos )
4. pavsone scored 8 points with session record ( 5-0; 3 kos )
5. lane27 scored 7 points with session record ( 5-0; 2 kos )
6. the_thong scored 7 points with session record ( 5-0; 2 kos )
7. chad_dawson scored 7 points with session record ( 4-1; 4 kos )
8. potter scored 5 points with session record ( 4-1; 2 kos )
9. jim3 scored 4 points with session record ( 4-1; 1 kos )
10. rahman scored 3 points with session record ( 2-0; 1 kos )
11. ironmike31 scored 2 points with session record ( 3-2; 1 kos )
12. ponlork scored 2 points with session record ( 1-0; 1 kos )


ImageRanked list of win-ratio of active players with at least 35 wins:

1. pavsone has a WIN-ratio of: 79.7% (with 212 wins out 266 fights)
2. jj2000 has a WIN-ratio of: 75.84% (with 113 wins out 149 fights)
3. crewe1000 has a WIN-ratio of: 74.84% (with 458 wins out 612 fights)
4. lane27 has a WIN-ratio of: 74.76% (with 317 wins out 424 fights)
5. GWA has a WIN-ratio of: 73.49% (with 402 wins out 547 fights)
6. potter has a WIN-ratio of: 72.48% (with 79 wins out 109 fights)
7. chad_dawson has a WIN-ratio of: 71.43% (with 140 wins out 196 fights)
8. starz has a WIN-ratio of: 70.88% (with 404 wins out 570 fights)
9. vladika has a WIN-ratio of: 70.51% (with 373 wins out 529 fights)
10. THE_THONG has a WIN-ratio of: 69.85% (with 271 wins out 388 fights)
11. ironmike31 has a WIN-ratio of: 69.03% (with 107 wins out 155 fights)
12. jim3 has a WIN-ratio of: 65.41% (with 242 wins out 370 fights)


ImageRanked list of KO-ratio of active players with at least 35 wins:

1. crewe1000 has a KO-ratio of: 65.5% (with 300 KOs out 458 wins)
2. vladika has a KO-ratio of: 62.2% (with 232 KOs out 373 wins)
3. THE_THONG has a KO-ratio of: 59.41% (with 161 KOs out 271 wins)
4. starz has a KO-ratio of: 57.43% (with 232 KOs out 404 wins)
5. jj2000 has a KO-ratio of: 55.75% (with 63 KOs out 113 wins)
6. GWA has a KO-ratio of: 55.72% (with 224 KOs out 402 wins)
7. potter has a KO-ratio of: 55.7% (with 44 KOs out 79 wins)
8. lane27 has a KO-ratio of: 54.26% (with 172 KOs out 317 wins)
9. ironmike31 has a KO-ratio of: 53.27% (with 57 KOs out 107 wins)
10. chad_dawson has a KO-ratio of: 52.86% (with 74 KOs out 140 wins)
11. pavsone has a KO-ratio of: 52.36% (with 111 KOs out 212 wins)
12. jim3 has a KO-ratio of: 47.52% (with 115 KOs out 242 wins)


ImageRanked list of win-ratio of active players with at least 5 wins and at most 34 wins:



ImageRanked list of KO-ratio of active players with at least 5 wins and at most 34 wins:




Congrats to jim3, GWA, ponlork, pavsone, lane27, chad_dawson, crewe1000 and THE_THONG for picking exact results this round!
Congrats to crewe1000 for scoring the best this round!



Click here to see the new TTBO WORLD RANKING]]> no_email@example.com (Tysonian) http://www.tysontalk.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=31918#31918 rumour has it mike is stepping back in the ring http://www.tysontalk.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=31914#31914
how have you guys been latly ,]]> no_email@example.com (jim3) http://www.tysontalk.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=31914#31914 My Tribute to Mike Tyson http://www.tysontalk.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=31913#31913
There were also some footage I wanted to get a hold of but I couldn't find, I remember watching this PPV special on Tyson & Botha about redemption back in late 1998, and Tyson was explaining why he bit Evander's ear. Then they showed a alternate view of Evander butting tyson and you can see blood start gushing out his eye pouring down from his face and I always thought that clip would be cool to implement but couldn't find it

Also this is unrelated but I remember staying up late one night to watch The Keenan Ivory Wayans show on Fox. It was some Talk Show he had back in 1997, Mike Tyson made a surprise entrance and he stayed the entire show being a guest host. I recall that episode had guest Puff Daddy & Heavy D. If anybody remember, Keenan used to imitate Mike in In Living Colour. Mike was also a presenter at the 1995 MTV music Awards]]> no_email@example.com (ponlork) http://www.tysontalk.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=31913#31913 TTBO Round March 9th 2010 Results http://www.tysontalk.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=31904#31904 This was one of those weird rounds though. It started of as a four fight round; then one fight got canceled/removed and one fight ended up in a draw. So basically two fights were to decide the close result this week.
I guess you need to have one of those rounds once in a while where anything can happen.]]> no_email@example.com (Tysonian) http://www.tysontalk.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=31904#31904